Lately, Kunstler has been keeping a nervous eye on a particular facet of the fraud. In 'Thinking the Unthinkable' he writes:
"How bad is the situation ‘out there’ really? In my view, things are veering toward such extreme desperation that the US government might fall under the sway, by extra-electoral means, of an ambitious military officer, or a group of such, sometime in the near future. I’m not promoting a coup d’etat, you understand, but I am raising it as a realistic possibility as elected officials prove utterly unwilling to cope with a mounting crisis of capital and resources. The ‘corn-pone Hitler’ scenario is still another possibility — Glen Beck and Sarah Palin vying for the hearts and minds of the morons who want ‘to keep gubmint out of Medicare!’ — but I suspect that there is a growing cadre of concerned officers around the Pentagon who will not brook that fucking nonsense for a Crystal City minute and, what’s more, would be very impatient to begin correcting the many fiascos currently blowing the nation apart from within. Remember, today’s US military elite is battle-hardened after eight years of war in Asia. No doubt they love their country, as Julius Caesar and Napoleon Bonaparte loved theirs. It may pain them to stand by and watch it dissolve like a castle made of sugar in a winter gale."
http://www.toqonline.com/2009/11/who-thinks-thinking-is-unthinkable-and-why/
EXTERIOR BALLISTICS
[Dr. Greg Johnson:]
One short, controlled burst about the military: The US military is a bigger engine of miscegenation than Hollywood. Again, I don’t think we will find any solutions in the military.
[NN:]
This is not the correct way to think about future developments.
Amidst coming global catastrophe, mid-century at the latest, whatever is left of the military will inevitably assume command of the situation - for good or ill. Satan is on his way to collect his due for WWII, after a century of party-time for the conniving and back-stabbing Anglo-Americans. Indeed, the ghost of Hua Guofeng whispers to us his cautionary tale, from the shadows around us into which we do not see.
Thus it is important for military personnel, above all others, to have been exposed to a brutally forthright explanation of the roots of the catastrophe. The Big Tent propaganda effort, to sneak as many goyim under the White-wing canvas, detracts from that vital project by sliding over differences in ideological perspectives (to the extent that they are even recognized amidst a lack of clarity as to the nature of reality). [Harken, Christers, Populists, and Colonists.]
Unfortunately, and for the present, the White-wing basically dwells in the late Eighteenth Century, in terms of its ideological sophistication, and grasp of political economy. One despairs of illuminating even this element, in the mass, as to the Foundations of the 21st.
Therefore, the military strategy is our only hope for survival. This is the time, in the evolution of the culture, when the Republic is long past, in other than pretense. So, if you reckon the military approach to be a false hope, you might as well close the door, on your way out, as you get back to your little life, as it is for now.
[Wikitopian, in italics:]
This isn’t the first time that your thirst for transcendence in this desert of modernity has led you to look at some jackasses in costumes and see a mirage of martial valor.
[NN:]
A repeat offender, no less, am I.
Just like your uncle Fred, you’re keen to philosophize with a hammer but incapable of offering a coherent vision for a future direction.
I recognize and have explained a high-altitude ballistic trajectory of events. You merely presume that they can be deflected - somehow. You thus fail to grasp that one cannot “offer a coherent vision for a future direction”. The “future” was launched, long ago. Read your own Book as to forebodings of an eventual Apocalypse. Evidently you do not recognize all the eschatology of the Zeitgeist as symptomatic of self-recognition.
[And you shouldn't embarrass yourself with remarks about Fred, whereof you do not know. Please apply yourself to the study of the essay, "Become Superhuman," of February, 2009 (quickly accessed through the "Blog Archive" that Robert Campbell prompted me to enable) for a remarkable display of prescience and programmatic recommendation on the part of HPD Nietzsche.]
You speak of your having mastered the science of political economy and your years of careful research. But I don’t see anything.
This speaks to an unfortunate lack of aptitude and application to the task, on your part. I well recall someone’s principled refusal to read Nietzsche having been exposed in this very venue.
Your blog is dandy, but it’s not a substitute for a coherent exposition of your vision.
The early Posts are a reasonably coherent exposition. And it’s not a “vision” - it’s a characterization of the case.
I would love to be proven wrong, but all I see is falconry and tearing down.
That is the function of analysis.
One short, controlled burst about the military: The US military is a bigger engine of miscegenation than Hollywood. Again, I don’t think we will find any solutions in the military.
[NN:]
This is not the correct way to think about future developments.
Amidst coming global catastrophe, mid-century at the latest, whatever is left of the military will inevitably assume command of the situation - for good or ill. Satan is on his way to collect his due for WWII, after a century of party-time for the conniving and back-stabbing Anglo-Americans. Indeed, the ghost of Hua Guofeng whispers to us his cautionary tale, from the shadows around us into which we do not see.
Thus it is important for military personnel, above all others, to have been exposed to a brutally forthright explanation of the roots of the catastrophe. The Big Tent propaganda effort, to sneak as many goyim under the White-wing canvas, detracts from that vital project by sliding over differences in ideological perspectives (to the extent that they are even recognized amidst a lack of clarity as to the nature of reality). [Harken, Christers, Populists, and Colonists.]
Unfortunately, and for the present, the White-wing basically dwells in the late Eighteenth Century, in terms of its ideological sophistication, and grasp of political economy. One despairs of illuminating even this element, in the mass, as to the Foundations of the 21st.
Therefore, the military strategy is our only hope for survival. This is the time, in the evolution of the culture, when the Republic is long past, in other than pretense. So, if you reckon the military approach to be a false hope, you might as well close the door, on your way out, as you get back to your little life, as it is for now.
[Wikitopian, in italics:]
This isn’t the first time that your thirst for transcendence in this desert of modernity has led you to look at some jackasses in costumes and see a mirage of martial valor.
[NN:]
A repeat offender, no less, am I.
Just like your uncle Fred, you’re keen to philosophize with a hammer but incapable of offering a coherent vision for a future direction.
I recognize and have explained a high-altitude ballistic trajectory of events. You merely presume that they can be deflected - somehow. You thus fail to grasp that one cannot “offer a coherent vision for a future direction”. The “future” was launched, long ago. Read your own Book as to forebodings of an eventual Apocalypse. Evidently you do not recognize all the eschatology of the Zeitgeist as symptomatic of self-recognition.
[And you shouldn't embarrass yourself with remarks about Fred, whereof you do not know. Please apply yourself to the study of the essay, "Become Superhuman," of February, 2009 (quickly accessed through the "Blog Archive" that Robert Campbell prompted me to enable) for a remarkable display of prescience and programmatic recommendation on the part of HPD Nietzsche.]
You speak of your having mastered the science of political economy and your years of careful research. But I don’t see anything.
This speaks to an unfortunate lack of aptitude and application to the task, on your part. I well recall someone’s principled refusal to read Nietzsche having been exposed in this very venue.
Your blog is dandy, but it’s not a substitute for a coherent exposition of your vision.
The early Posts are a reasonably coherent exposition. And it’s not a “vision” - it’s a characterization of the case.
I would love to be proven wrong, but all I see is falconry and tearing down.
That is the function of analysis.
THE IRONY OF MORALITY
The irony of the human dilemma in regard to politico-economic culture, and comprehension thereof, is that the heights of moral conscientiousness involve recognition of the severe limits upon the proper application of moral precepts.
Moral universalism, for example, is fatuous - when the possibilities for its consistent, complete, and definitive formulation and application are examined.
And I do not have to prove this - for it is the burden, of anyone who disputes this, to produce that complete and coherent body of law (which exists only in pretense, at the present, in regard to any polity of consequence).
Not to understand this basic aspect of the human dilemma is to remain an obnoxious and impertinent juvenile, at best, and a threat to the maintenance of any ordered existence on the planet, in the extremity.
As I have said elsewhere, this is not a world of sin-and-salvation, it is a world of actions-have-consequences. It is not a theater wherein good-and-evil are played out, it is a mundane arena of the merely good-and-bad. Much of what is declared “evil” is a dealing with the world as it is known to the intellectually adult - the “virtue” of the morally pretentious, rather, is that of the woman, the child, and the fanatic.
Moral universalism, for example, is fatuous - when the possibilities for its consistent, complete, and definitive formulation and application are examined.
And I do not have to prove this - for it is the burden, of anyone who disputes this, to produce that complete and coherent body of law (which exists only in pretense, at the present, in regard to any polity of consequence).
Not to understand this basic aspect of the human dilemma is to remain an obnoxious and impertinent juvenile, at best, and a threat to the maintenance of any ordered existence on the planet, in the extremity.
As I have said elsewhere, this is not a world of sin-and-salvation, it is a world of actions-have-consequences. It is not a theater wherein good-and-evil are played out, it is a mundane arena of the merely good-and-bad. Much of what is declared “evil” is a dealing with the world as it is known to the intellectually adult - the “virtue” of the morally pretentious, rather, is that of the woman, the child, and the fanatic.
POLY (SCI) PERVERSITY
[NN:]
I realized that my prior framing of political phenomena in terms of form-of-government (as is the foundation of orthodox PolySci) was a gross error interfering with the proper, comprehensive conceptualization of events, past and present - and is thus a powerful weapon in the maintenance of goyische ignorance of how the politico-economic world works.
[Mark I.:]
I came to a similar realization sometime ago. It has something to do with the fact that political-economic systems (and with them the Oligarchies/Elites which you have stressed of late) arise organically, or at least they did until the parliamentary regimes of the 19th cent in Europe. It creates, among other things, the misconception that we commoners have more influence over larger affairs than did our ancestors in ages past. Perhaps you could expand upon the point?
[NN:]
The history of the period of emergence you mention reveals that the irony and beauty of the adoption of "democratic" pageantry and pretense, rather, was that the post-revolutionary Permanent Secret Governments à la manière du Parvenu were thus never in jeopardy of an old-fashioned inter-regnum or of a popular revolution, for having disappeared from the sight of the childish masses (infants have to reach a certain age before they can realize that an object moved behind a screen does not disappear in other than immediate visual terms). It is telling, however, that invulnerability to a coup by an alternative elite was not enhanced by this technique (hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink) - and in fact it could be said to have been greatly reduced.
[Mark I.:]
Another misconception which arises from the materialist view is that history then seems to lead inevitably to both parliamentary systems and "cosmopolitan" civilization, not to mention secular humanism (latter-day nihilism). So the supposedly "atheistic" and "rational" system of thought is in fact some other form of messianism.
[NN;]
It is certainly a form of egalitarian utopianism - derived, however, not from the mere pretense of rationality and atheism that is involved, but rather from the falsification and ignorance of pertinent social sciences and the adoption of a savagely-defended secular faith. The slavish dualist elements thereof are all too familiar in the diabolization of those who have recognized the "apparent world" of actuality for its racial differences and irreconcilable conflicts and who have acted accordingly in that light. And one notes that our End-of-History boy, Francis F., never bothered to explain the formula according to which the "liberal democracies" are constructed so as to have eschatologically resolved the "internal contradictions" characteristic of any regime that is truly "liberal".
I realized that my prior framing of political phenomena in terms of form-of-government (as is the foundation of orthodox PolySci) was a gross error interfering with the proper, comprehensive conceptualization of events, past and present - and is thus a powerful weapon in the maintenance of goyische ignorance of how the politico-economic world works.
[Mark I.:]
I came to a similar realization sometime ago. It has something to do with the fact that political-economic systems (and with them the Oligarchies/Elites which you have stressed of late) arise organically, or at least they did until the parliamentary regimes of the 19th cent in Europe. It creates, among other things, the misconception that we commoners have more influence over larger affairs than did our ancestors in ages past. Perhaps you could expand upon the point?
[NN:]
The history of the period of emergence you mention reveals that the irony and beauty of the adoption of "democratic" pageantry and pretense, rather, was that the post-revolutionary Permanent Secret Governments à la manière du Parvenu were thus never in jeopardy of an old-fashioned inter-regnum or of a popular revolution, for having disappeared from the sight of the childish masses (infants have to reach a certain age before they can realize that an object moved behind a screen does not disappear in other than immediate visual terms). It is telling, however, that invulnerability to a coup by an alternative elite was not enhanced by this technique (hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink) - and in fact it could be said to have been greatly reduced.
[Mark I.:]
Another misconception which arises from the materialist view is that history then seems to lead inevitably to both parliamentary systems and "cosmopolitan" civilization, not to mention secular humanism (latter-day nihilism). So the supposedly "atheistic" and "rational" system of thought is in fact some other form of messianism.
[NN;]
It is certainly a form of egalitarian utopianism - derived, however, not from the mere pretense of rationality and atheism that is involved, but rather from the falsification and ignorance of pertinent social sciences and the adoption of a savagely-defended secular faith. The slavish dualist elements thereof are all too familiar in the diabolization of those who have recognized the "apparent world" of actuality for its racial differences and irreconcilable conflicts and who have acted accordingly in that light. And one notes that our End-of-History boy, Francis F., never bothered to explain the formula according to which the "liberal democracies" are constructed so as to have eschatologically resolved the "internal contradictions" characteristic of any regime that is truly "liberal".
COURAGE & DEDICATION
In donning that uniform and taking to the streets, NN showed more courage and dedication than most people here ever will.
Ironic.
For me, this blog is far more an exercise in courage and dedication.
For when I took to the streets, no courage on my part was involved - in the sense of overcoming one's fear of violence. I've always been prepared for it, and always considered myself a threat to others, physically and intellectually, rather than they a threat to me. I will, however, accept the imputation of courage on behalf of those of my comrades who *were* afraid and who *weren't* prepared, and who nevertheless did what needed doing for the awakening to come.
But now that forty years of dedicated study are a part of me, and I am responsible for others than myself, I do not hold my life and health so lightly. Yet those who intelligently address the issues with which this blog is concerned *are* engaged in a display of courage and dedication, in my judgment of the hazards that lurk and the investment of work. So, ironically, I consider myself worthy of that assessment by virtue of *this* exposure of hard-core truth, rather than by virtue of the exploits of my youth.
Ironic.
For me, this blog is far more an exercise in courage and dedication.
For when I took to the streets, no courage on my part was involved - in the sense of overcoming one's fear of violence. I've always been prepared for it, and always considered myself a threat to others, physically and intellectually, rather than they a threat to me. I will, however, accept the imputation of courage on behalf of those of my comrades who *were* afraid and who *weren't* prepared, and who nevertheless did what needed doing for the awakening to come.
But now that forty years of dedicated study are a part of me, and I am responsible for others than myself, I do not hold my life and health so lightly. Yet those who intelligently address the issues with which this blog is concerned *are* engaged in a display of courage and dedication, in my judgment of the hazards that lurk and the investment of work. So, ironically, I consider myself worthy of that assessment by virtue of *this* exposure of hard-core truth, rather than by virtue of the exploits of my youth.
EYES RIGHT TO INDIA?
If you fail to see how an intentional community — a self-sustaining, racially conscious folk community — benefits our Cause, then I’m not sure any argument I can make will convince you. I think its merits are obvious. (Robert Campbell)
As are its de-merits, when viewed in larger perspective.
Most obviously, the “self-sustaining” aspect must be qualified, in that while such a community may be independent in its requirement for raw materials and foodstuffs, its protection from foreign invasion and domestic suppression is provided by an overwhelmingly larger and provisionally indulgent surrounding community with formal armed forces. (Though peasant visionaries hereabouts will have adopted pleasing misconceptions au courant as to the passing (”collapse”) of all foreign ambition for liberating North America from its present cultural regime, thus allowing Arcadia to survive in their minds as a day-dreamer’s aspiration for yet another (fatuous) colonial refuge. And “Red Dawn” fantasists will confidently declare themselves ready to bring to bear their trusty AK’s and whatnot to repel any number of Redcoats, foreign or domestic - should the peasant visionaries have miscalculated in their expectation of a perpetually indulgent and aggression-free environment.)
Without a spiritual goal at the forefront of the social consciousness, man’s ideologies inevitable descend into arrogance and self-destruction. The first step to conquering the world is conquering thy self!
“Conquering the world”? In what sense?
Our masters seem to be Jewish, not sub-continental (the former having had no more time than the latter toward achieving that global objective). So you must mean the “inward” world - in which case “conquering thyself” is tantamount to “conquering the world”. For *actual* world conquest/liberation, and resistance thereto, necessarily involve those nasty ideologies, with their arrogance and organic cyclicality.
But let us grant that those who have the inward discipline to douse themselves with flammable liquid and set themselves alight without evident sensation of pain, or to stop their own hearts from beating in autonomic activity, have truly mastered themselves. They have no need to conquer the world or even defend themselves against it. What matter if wife and child (should one have compromised oneself to that extent) are violated and killed or captured as slaves by intruders? One is well-composed and has a superior perspective on such developments, and one is thus undisturbed in one’s equanimity, by such events.
[Lesser India as an alternative to Greater Judea - an idea whose time has come?]
As are its de-merits, when viewed in larger perspective.
Most obviously, the “self-sustaining” aspect must be qualified, in that while such a community may be independent in its requirement for raw materials and foodstuffs, its protection from foreign invasion and domestic suppression is provided by an overwhelmingly larger and provisionally indulgent surrounding community with formal armed forces. (Though peasant visionaries hereabouts will have adopted pleasing misconceptions au courant as to the passing (”collapse”) of all foreign ambition for liberating North America from its present cultural regime, thus allowing Arcadia to survive in their minds as a day-dreamer’s aspiration for yet another (fatuous) colonial refuge. And “Red Dawn” fantasists will confidently declare themselves ready to bring to bear their trusty AK’s and whatnot to repel any number of Redcoats, foreign or domestic - should the peasant visionaries have miscalculated in their expectation of a perpetually indulgent and aggression-free environment.)
Without a spiritual goal at the forefront of the social consciousness, man’s ideologies inevitable descend into arrogance and self-destruction. The first step to conquering the world is conquering thy self!
“Conquering the world”? In what sense?
Our masters seem to be Jewish, not sub-continental (the former having had no more time than the latter toward achieving that global objective). So you must mean the “inward” world - in which case “conquering thyself” is tantamount to “conquering the world”. For *actual* world conquest/liberation, and resistance thereto, necessarily involve those nasty ideologies, with their arrogance and organic cyclicality.
But let us grant that those who have the inward discipline to douse themselves with flammable liquid and set themselves alight without evident sensation of pain, or to stop their own hearts from beating in autonomic activity, have truly mastered themselves. They have no need to conquer the world or even defend themselves against it. What matter if wife and child (should one have compromised oneself to that extent) are violated and killed or captured as slaves by intruders? One is well-composed and has a superior perspective on such developments, and one is thus undisturbed in one’s equanimity, by such events.
[Lesser India as an alternative to Greater Judea - an idea whose time has come?]
MORAL SUPERIORITY
But multiculturalists consider themselves superior to ALL CULTURES!
And this is of the essence of the power and attraction of “moral” deliberations:
A priceless feeling of personal worth transcending that of all others (and some others are held to be less than worthless, depending upon how one constructs one’s morality) - and purchased, initially, at the price of lots of hot air.
Such a *Deal* - *who* could resist?
So, *step right up*, Ladies and Gentlemen!
We have two - yes, TWO - lovely varieties of moral superiority to appeal to that little slave lurking in your soul!
Over here, we have on display your traditional brand of spiritual afflatus: Yeshua’s Sayings, with a bonus addendum authored by Saul of the Thirty-Nine Stripes.
And for those of a more contemporary taste in ethical fatuities, we have pseudo-Christian, quasi-Communist, egalitarian utopianist Liberalism!
(Do I see a flush of warmth in many a face in the crowd at the mention of this latter delight, simulating the sensation of a bracing intoxicant as it slides down that inward canal - soothing that tremulous little girl inside? I think I do!)
So don’t be shy, Ladies and Gentlemen! Step right up and make your choice! It’s all free for you and won’t be paid for until your precious children wake up one day, staring the Devil in the eye, with old El Diablo demanding payment for the fatuous indulgences enjoyed by their parents.
["It is here and nowhere else that one must make a start to comprehend what Zarathustra wants: this type of man that he conceives, conceives reality as it is: it is strong enough for it —, it is not estranged or removed from it, it is reality itself and exemplifies all that is terrible and questionable in it, only in that way can man attain greatness ..." (Ecce Homo, "Why I Am a Destiny," 5)]
And this is of the essence of the power and attraction of “moral” deliberations:
A priceless feeling of personal worth transcending that of all others (and some others are held to be less than worthless, depending upon how one constructs one’s morality) - and purchased, initially, at the price of lots of hot air.
Such a *Deal* - *who* could resist?
So, *step right up*, Ladies and Gentlemen!
We have two - yes, TWO - lovely varieties of moral superiority to appeal to that little slave lurking in your soul!
Over here, we have on display your traditional brand of spiritual afflatus: Yeshua’s Sayings, with a bonus addendum authored by Saul of the Thirty-Nine Stripes.
And for those of a more contemporary taste in ethical fatuities, we have pseudo-Christian, quasi-Communist, egalitarian utopianist Liberalism!
(Do I see a flush of warmth in many a face in the crowd at the mention of this latter delight, simulating the sensation of a bracing intoxicant as it slides down that inward canal - soothing that tremulous little girl inside? I think I do!)
So don’t be shy, Ladies and Gentlemen! Step right up and make your choice! It’s all free for you and won’t be paid for until your precious children wake up one day, staring the Devil in the eye, with old El Diablo demanding payment for the fatuous indulgences enjoyed by their parents.
["It is here and nowhere else that one must make a start to comprehend what Zarathustra wants: this type of man that he conceives, conceives reality as it is: it is strong enough for it —, it is not estranged or removed from it, it is reality itself and exemplifies all that is terrible and questionable in it, only in that way can man attain greatness ..." (Ecce Homo, "Why I Am a Destiny," 5)]
NATURAL PHENOMENA
[Andrew:]
Our time window would seem to be generally between the mid-19th to the mid-20th centuries perhaps, the era where there were densely populated democracies but before the alleged Jewish Oligarchy had been established world-wide. What is your estimate of when the Oligarchy would have achieved its nation-dominating strength?
[NN:]
According to Disraeli’s remarks, we may take the “democracies” of your “window” to have been merely cosmetically so - just as is the case today. Fundamental policy was not subject to popular review.
Only the Weimar Republic, naively imposed by the Allied Powers in a fit of idealism, was an authentic vehicle for the expression of the will of the masses, allowing thus the extraordinary regime of “Adolf Legalite’ ” and the National Socialists. “Fascism” *elsewhere* had to be established by irregular means (the “March on Rome” that Hitler himself tried to imitate).
As to reckoning *when* the boast of the Protocols had been realized is, again, to wish to examine the contents of the black box.
[Andrew:]
Do you believe there have been other secret Oligarchies in the past as well? For example, do you think that Masons worked behind the scenes in early America or after the Civil War (before the Jews arrived)? (The recent film, “Sherlock Holmes”, which shows a secret organization similar to the Masons managing late 19th Century England from behind the scenes). My intuition tells me you would say that the hated National Bank was part of such an organization.
[NN:]
Cults and Secret Societies have long existed and some may have been influential. I do not believe, however, that any of these have constituted a nation- or cultural-wide oligarchy. The problem is that cults and secret societies are artificial “conspiracies” of otherwise unattached individuals. Oligarchies are *natural* phenomena derived from tribal and national affiliations. The latter are thus much stronger in their cohesiveness - the essential quality of the ruling stratum of a society - a stratum that, as I strongly emphasize, *cannot* be guided altogether by legal formalities and artifices, and so must rely upon a natural, *implicit* agreement as to the policies and agendas to be pursued. Hence there can be no other identity to the present regime than that of Jewry, following the passing of the WASP.
And the principle, mentioned above, is illustrated by this and other examples.
The WASP oligarchy was weak and easily displaced because it was, in part, the coming together, artificially, of otherwise unattached plutocrats who happened to be largely of common ethnic origin but not of long-established natural community nor of a transcendent agenda for governance of a rapidly evolving society seriously strained by class antagonisms. In further illustration, the modern regimes of the USSR and NS Germany had to make do with oligarchies merely aborning in the KGB (Andropov) and the SS (Himmler), thus having to be firmly disciplined by the active pursuit of ideological goals as the “glue” holding a regime together. Hannah Arendt, in one of her few valid appreciations of Totalitarianism, recognized this element in ideologically-based “movements” - in that they must constantly *move* in order to maintain themselves.
And this is why the Russian and Chinese regimes have not retained the rigid police-states of the past. They must evolve toward a globally catastrophic attempt at the immantization of the eschaton, as we have seen them doing, or they will devolve into civil war, as has *not* happened and as would confirm a *genuine* “collapse” of Communism in either of these regimes.
[Andrew:]
I think the explanatory value of a “hidden hand” theory makes it attractive, because it allows an individual to conceptualize and comprehend what is otherwise an incredibly complex system that otherwise defies one’s ability to really grasp or predict it.
[NN:]
The essence of the administrative challenge - to which oligarchy, hidden or otherwise, is the answer - is not one of complexity, however.
It is one of the exclusivity - as with “Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem,” - of coherence and completeness ("all coherent formulations of number theory are incomplete").
Likewise, and pretenses to the contrary, there has not been, and there cannot be, a complete and coherent formulation of law such as will be adhered to under the constraint of *universal* attendance to “Rightly Understood Interest”. Thus the necessity for authoritative oligarchy to deal with societal conflicts that cannot be satisfactorily addressed by formalities - and as it is in the rightly-understood *particularist* interest of an organized minority to exploit an unorganzed majority.
Also, it must be mentioned that an essential part of the governance of settled populations is the service provided by theologues (priests) and ideologues (”intellectuals”) in the mis-guidance of dominated populations as to their “Rightly Understood Interests” - since, as said, there is no formula for its achievement, in law or in adherence thereto.
One should note that the Marxist concepts of “false consciousness” and "opiate of the masses" are instructive in this regard.
Our time window would seem to be generally between the mid-19th to the mid-20th centuries perhaps, the era where there were densely populated democracies but before the alleged Jewish Oligarchy had been established world-wide. What is your estimate of when the Oligarchy would have achieved its nation-dominating strength?
[NN:]
According to Disraeli’s remarks, we may take the “democracies” of your “window” to have been merely cosmetically so - just as is the case today. Fundamental policy was not subject to popular review.
Only the Weimar Republic, naively imposed by the Allied Powers in a fit of idealism, was an authentic vehicle for the expression of the will of the masses, allowing thus the extraordinary regime of “Adolf Legalite’ ” and the National Socialists. “Fascism” *elsewhere* had to be established by irregular means (the “March on Rome” that Hitler himself tried to imitate).
As to reckoning *when* the boast of the Protocols had been realized is, again, to wish to examine the contents of the black box.
[Andrew:]
Do you believe there have been other secret Oligarchies in the past as well? For example, do you think that Masons worked behind the scenes in early America or after the Civil War (before the Jews arrived)? (The recent film, “Sherlock Holmes”, which shows a secret organization similar to the Masons managing late 19th Century England from behind the scenes). My intuition tells me you would say that the hated National Bank was part of such an organization.
[NN:]
Cults and Secret Societies have long existed and some may have been influential. I do not believe, however, that any of these have constituted a nation- or cultural-wide oligarchy. The problem is that cults and secret societies are artificial “conspiracies” of otherwise unattached individuals. Oligarchies are *natural* phenomena derived from tribal and national affiliations. The latter are thus much stronger in their cohesiveness - the essential quality of the ruling stratum of a society - a stratum that, as I strongly emphasize, *cannot* be guided altogether by legal formalities and artifices, and so must rely upon a natural, *implicit* agreement as to the policies and agendas to be pursued. Hence there can be no other identity to the present regime than that of Jewry, following the passing of the WASP.
And the principle, mentioned above, is illustrated by this and other examples.
The WASP oligarchy was weak and easily displaced because it was, in part, the coming together, artificially, of otherwise unattached plutocrats who happened to be largely of common ethnic origin but not of long-established natural community nor of a transcendent agenda for governance of a rapidly evolving society seriously strained by class antagonisms. In further illustration, the modern regimes of the USSR and NS Germany had to make do with oligarchies merely aborning in the KGB (Andropov) and the SS (Himmler), thus having to be firmly disciplined by the active pursuit of ideological goals as the “glue” holding a regime together. Hannah Arendt, in one of her few valid appreciations of Totalitarianism, recognized this element in ideologically-based “movements” - in that they must constantly *move* in order to maintain themselves.
And this is why the Russian and Chinese regimes have not retained the rigid police-states of the past. They must evolve toward a globally catastrophic attempt at the immantization of the eschaton, as we have seen them doing, or they will devolve into civil war, as has *not* happened and as would confirm a *genuine* “collapse” of Communism in either of these regimes.
[Andrew:]
I think the explanatory value of a “hidden hand” theory makes it attractive, because it allows an individual to conceptualize and comprehend what is otherwise an incredibly complex system that otherwise defies one’s ability to really grasp or predict it.
[NN:]
The essence of the administrative challenge - to which oligarchy, hidden or otherwise, is the answer - is not one of complexity, however.
It is one of the exclusivity - as with “Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem,” - of coherence and completeness ("all coherent formulations of number theory are incomplete").
Likewise, and pretenses to the contrary, there has not been, and there cannot be, a complete and coherent formulation of law such as will be adhered to under the constraint of *universal* attendance to “Rightly Understood Interest”. Thus the necessity for authoritative oligarchy to deal with societal conflicts that cannot be satisfactorily addressed by formalities - and as it is in the rightly-understood *particularist* interest of an organized minority to exploit an unorganzed majority.
Also, it must be mentioned that an essential part of the governance of settled populations is the service provided by theologues (priests) and ideologues (”intellectuals”) in the mis-guidance of dominated populations as to their “Rightly Understood Interests” - since, as said, there is no formula for its achievement, in law or in adherence thereto.
One should note that the Marxist concepts of “false consciousness” and "opiate of the masses" are instructive in this regard.
ROOTS ARE SHOWING
[Statsaholic:]
NeoNietzsche,
I see what you are saying about the long term goal of rigorous Marxism.
However, I think the “withering away of the State” is something Marxists always conceptualize as being carried out by future generations of Marxists.
I doubt very much that Chinese Marxists will have the clear eyed fanaticism to carry such a scheme out to its final stages.
Even with the madmen of the Bolsheviks, only the Jew Trotsky actually wanted to move in a meaningful way toward the destruction of all Western Political Entities.
And guess what? His foreign policy ideas along these lines were shot down, so to speak (!), by Joseph Stalin.
What reason is there to think that a Chinese Trotsky won’t have his foreign policy ideas shot down by a Chinese Stalin?
[NN:]
It has already happened.
Just as Trotsky was followed by Stalin, then followed by Khruschev,
So Mao was followed by Deng, and now Mao is being revived.
And apostolic Christianity, failing to deliver the promised Advent, was replaced by institutional Catholic Christianity, which was rejected by puritanical Protestantism, in a return to the roots of the faith.
See the pattern?
NeoNietzsche,
I see what you are saying about the long term goal of rigorous Marxism.
However, I think the “withering away of the State” is something Marxists always conceptualize as being carried out by future generations of Marxists.
I doubt very much that Chinese Marxists will have the clear eyed fanaticism to carry such a scheme out to its final stages.
Even with the madmen of the Bolsheviks, only the Jew Trotsky actually wanted to move in a meaningful way toward the destruction of all Western Political Entities.
And guess what? His foreign policy ideas along these lines were shot down, so to speak (!), by Joseph Stalin.
What reason is there to think that a Chinese Trotsky won’t have his foreign policy ideas shot down by a Chinese Stalin?
[NN:]
It has already happened.
Just as Trotsky was followed by Stalin, then followed by Khruschev,
So Mao was followed by Deng, and now Mao is being revived.
And apostolic Christianity, failing to deliver the promised Advent, was replaced by institutional Catholic Christianity, which was rejected by puritanical Protestantism, in a return to the roots of the faith.
See the pattern?
YOU SILLY GENTILES
What [Maurice] Samuel is saying [in *You Gentiles*] is not that the Jews are deliberate destroyers, or want to be. He is saying that we inadvertently destroy Gentile society, which is nothing but pageantry and spectacle, because we demand a seriousness, a reality and a morality from life that is far greater than gentiles can ever provide and so among the gentiles we are forever trying to create moral structures that, as gentiles are not able to bear them, break under the weight of them. (Doreen Ellen Bell-Dotan, Tzfat, Israel)
Unlike the righteous Jews of ancient Israel, who well withstood the rigors of righteousness as Zealots, Sicarii, messianists of various other stripe, Pharisees, Saduccees, et al., and thus are recognizable as shining examples of the possibilities for such society that the Gentiles perversely refuse to emulate?
It would seem, rather, that the Gentiles must remain skeptical of this thesis - since “reality,” to judge by all historical example, including the aforementioned, evidently cannot accommodate “a seriousness, a reality, and a morality from life that is far greater than gentiles can ever provide,” - and since the destructive effect of that inevitable and predictable failure to bear up looks suspiciously like the after-effect of deliberate subversion hiding behind a sanctimonious pretense and pretext. Beyond that consideration, the Gentiles have this perverse tendency to note that the proclamations of the Talmud do not lend themselves to the notion that moral solicitousness for the welfare of other than Jewry is involved in Jewish moral motivation.
And what sanctimonious hypocrisy is not involved in the Jewish pattern of Nazi-racist-in-his-own-(apartheid/chosen-of-the-one-God-who-gave-this-land-to-me) country and Commie subversive in yours? [Even the nominally "Capitalist" Jewish elite purchased the Bolshevik overthrow of the Kerensky regime!]
And finally, deliberate or not, the santimonious Jewish agenda simulates a termite-like effect on the political and cultural structure involved - whether it's a Jewish entity or that of others. So, what’s a righteous Gentile to do with the Jew - or the Jew with himself, in the light of the *real* reality that is evident from investigation thereof rather than from the emetic moral pretense and nonsense?
Unlike the righteous Jews of ancient Israel, who well withstood the rigors of righteousness as Zealots, Sicarii, messianists of various other stripe, Pharisees, Saduccees, et al., and thus are recognizable as shining examples of the possibilities for such society that the Gentiles perversely refuse to emulate?
It would seem, rather, that the Gentiles must remain skeptical of this thesis - since “reality,” to judge by all historical example, including the aforementioned, evidently cannot accommodate “a seriousness, a reality, and a morality from life that is far greater than gentiles can ever provide,” - and since the destructive effect of that inevitable and predictable failure to bear up looks suspiciously like the after-effect of deliberate subversion hiding behind a sanctimonious pretense and pretext. Beyond that consideration, the Gentiles have this perverse tendency to note that the proclamations of the Talmud do not lend themselves to the notion that moral solicitousness for the welfare of other than Jewry is involved in Jewish moral motivation.
And what sanctimonious hypocrisy is not involved in the Jewish pattern of Nazi-racist-in-his-own-(apartheid/chosen-of-the-one-God-who-gave-this-land-to-me) country and Commie subversive in yours? [Even the nominally "Capitalist" Jewish elite purchased the Bolshevik overthrow of the Kerensky regime!]
And finally, deliberate or not, the santimonious Jewish agenda simulates a termite-like effect on the political and cultural structure involved - whether it's a Jewish entity or that of others. So, what’s a righteous Gentile to do with the Jew - or the Jew with himself, in the light of the *real* reality that is evident from investigation thereof rather than from the emetic moral pretense and nonsense?
FORM AND FUNCTION
“Good summary up to this point - but my sense of the “ultimate design” involves global anarchy rather than empire. Though it is evident that a *non-sectarian* expectation of one-world-government is held by the goyische paladins involved.” (NN)
Well, it would have saved us some time and trouble if you had provided this summary at the beginning, but for some reason you appear to enjoy seeing people bump their head and stub their toe in the dark before finding the light switch and figuring out what you believe. (Andrew)
I was puzzled by this remark, now supposedly to be taken tongue-in-cheek, but which reflection suggested to me was significant of the popular confusion of government form with government agenda.
So it appears that, in speculating as to the *organization* of the black-box guidance of Greater Judea, we were, for you, thus characterizing its *agenda*.
Which means that if I say the organization is oligarchic, for *you* the point and agenda of the organization, to the extent that there *is* such organization, is simply to *be* an oligarchy.
Thus, if I freshly introduce discussion of the (ultimately anarchistic) *agenda* of the organization, I have “found the light switch,” in your terms, and finally made up my mind with a characterization of its *organizational* form.
Now I think I understand your remark. So let me explain why the distinction between organization and agenda, means and ends, form and function, is vitally important under our present regime:
Maurice Samuel long ago instructed us that Jewry demands a “God World”.
Thus, as Oligarchs, they are not content just to be normal oligarchs in an imperfect world. They seek to perfect it (thus wrecking it) by means of Communism or Zionism or a combination of both.
So, young Andrew, your mission - should you decide to accept it - is to stop the tikkun olam fanatics, wherever they are to be found - before they can manage to deceive every goy, such as yourself, as to the simultaneity of the organizational form and functional agenda of governments - and so facilitate the perfecting of us all - to the point of a miserable death that we do not deserve.
Well, it would have saved us some time and trouble if you had provided this summary at the beginning, but for some reason you appear to enjoy seeing people bump their head and stub their toe in the dark before finding the light switch and figuring out what you believe. (Andrew)
I was puzzled by this remark, now supposedly to be taken tongue-in-cheek, but which reflection suggested to me was significant of the popular confusion of government form with government agenda.
So it appears that, in speculating as to the *organization* of the black-box guidance of Greater Judea, we were, for you, thus characterizing its *agenda*.
Which means that if I say the organization is oligarchic, for *you* the point and agenda of the organization, to the extent that there *is* such organization, is simply to *be* an oligarchy.
Thus, if I freshly introduce discussion of the (ultimately anarchistic) *agenda* of the organization, I have “found the light switch,” in your terms, and finally made up my mind with a characterization of its *organizational* form.
Now I think I understand your remark. So let me explain why the distinction between organization and agenda, means and ends, form and function, is vitally important under our present regime:
Maurice Samuel long ago instructed us that Jewry demands a “God World”.
Thus, as Oligarchs, they are not content just to be normal oligarchs in an imperfect world. They seek to perfect it (thus wrecking it) by means of Communism or Zionism or a combination of both.
So, young Andrew, your mission - should you decide to accept it - is to stop the tikkun olam fanatics, wherever they are to be found - before they can manage to deceive every goy, such as yourself, as to the simultaneity of the organizational form and functional agenda of governments - and so facilitate the perfecting of us all - to the point of a miserable death that we do not deserve.
SCORPION AND FROG
Then why would China destroy the West?
“Aw shut up, silly woman, said that reptile with a grin - you knew darn well I was a snake before you took me in!” (”The Snake”)
It’s The Scorpion and the Frog.
It’s the meaning, purpose, and unifying principle of a Marxist regime.
In this song and story, the West is the bourgeois vehicle and obstacle to the eschaton, the stateless final society promised by the ideology - the millenium, in Christian fancy - the Spartacist rampage, in Nietzschean expectation.
It seems to me you’re saying that while the Judeo-Communists are smart enough to see that if China destroys the West it will lead to its own collapse, the Chinese themselves lack this degree of foresight.
To the contrary. The Chinese, as do the Russians, understand that their ultimate goal is global statelessness. Thus the “collapse” of any State, having served its purposes, is a victory, in Marxist terms. The Russian Communists, in shedding the Soviet pseudo-empire in behalf of strategic deception, are even farther along than are the Chinese. For Mao was premature in dismantling China, before it had a chance to compromise the West, and the “technocrats” under Deng had to retrieve the situation and make up time, toward achievement of the global objective.
Also, understand that the “liberalism,” of both the modern Left and Right, in the West, is quasi-anarchist - in the libertarian disposition of the Right and in the anti-establishment sentiment of the Left. Thus the orientation and appeal of Communism, properly understood as crypto-anarchism, is not surprising, and is supposedly an ideological cousin, descended from Enlightenment thought.
But Marxist Communism *is not* properly recognized by adherents of these bourgeois concessions to reality, because, despite sharing with radicals some of the same liberationist sentiments, the moderates are confused as to this convergence by the radical fatuity and brutality in the antithetical (police-statist/megacidal) structure and governance of radical regimes.
Nevertheless, Marx *is* explicit in the promise he makes. But that promise is *unrealizable* amidst the intractable limitations on the administration of human society. And the tragic results of the attempts to overcome those limitations make the Communist goal *unrecognizable* amidst the inhumanity of the means to which the radicals must resort in establishing, maintaining, and advancing the regimes needed toward achieving the promised world-wide liberation.
[P.S. - As reported in the Red Column, to the right, a revival of "Maoism" - the true faith of Chinese Marxism - is underway (and is significant of the superficiality of the technocracy, the only intended function of which is to disarm and disable the West and, derivatively, all ordered existence on the planet).]
“Aw shut up, silly woman, said that reptile with a grin - you knew darn well I was a snake before you took me in!” (”The Snake”)
It’s The Scorpion and the Frog.
It’s the meaning, purpose, and unifying principle of a Marxist regime.
In this song and story, the West is the bourgeois vehicle and obstacle to the eschaton, the stateless final society promised by the ideology - the millenium, in Christian fancy - the Spartacist rampage, in Nietzschean expectation.
It seems to me you’re saying that while the Judeo-Communists are smart enough to see that if China destroys the West it will lead to its own collapse, the Chinese themselves lack this degree of foresight.
To the contrary. The Chinese, as do the Russians, understand that their ultimate goal is global statelessness. Thus the “collapse” of any State, having served its purposes, is a victory, in Marxist terms. The Russian Communists, in shedding the Soviet pseudo-empire in behalf of strategic deception, are even farther along than are the Chinese. For Mao was premature in dismantling China, before it had a chance to compromise the West, and the “technocrats” under Deng had to retrieve the situation and make up time, toward achievement of the global objective.
Also, understand that the “liberalism,” of both the modern Left and Right, in the West, is quasi-anarchist - in the libertarian disposition of the Right and in the anti-establishment sentiment of the Left. Thus the orientation and appeal of Communism, properly understood as crypto-anarchism, is not surprising, and is supposedly an ideological cousin, descended from Enlightenment thought.
But Marxist Communism *is not* properly recognized by adherents of these bourgeois concessions to reality, because, despite sharing with radicals some of the same liberationist sentiments, the moderates are confused as to this convergence by the radical fatuity and brutality in the antithetical (police-statist/megacidal) structure and governance of radical regimes.
Nevertheless, Marx *is* explicit in the promise he makes. But that promise is *unrealizable* amidst the intractable limitations on the administration of human society. And the tragic results of the attempts to overcome those limitations make the Communist goal *unrecognizable* amidst the inhumanity of the means to which the radicals must resort in establishing, maintaining, and advancing the regimes needed toward achieving the promised world-wide liberation.
[P.S. - As reported in the Red Column, to the right, a revival of "Maoism" - the true faith of Chinese Marxism - is underway (and is significant of the superficiality of the technocracy, the only intended function of which is to disarm and disable the West and, derivatively, all ordered existence on the planet).]
"LIBERAL DEMOCRACY" EXPOSED!
There are good arguments to support the belief that the Israel Lobby is very influential in the United States, or that to-day’s American Jews are disproportionately liberal, but when one starts suggesting that Jews collectively are the historical enemy (or at least one of the main enemies) of Western society, and thus deserve to be removed, one is plunging into lunatic territory, and displaying a degree of petty chauvinism that is more befitting of an African (or a latter day Kraut) than a civilized Anglo-Saxon.
Jews aren’t the problem. The problem is ideological. And the ideology has infected American Jews and Gentiles alike, though in different proportions. And that ideology is liberal democracy.
And is one of the tenets of “liberal democracy” the Reverse Discrimination policy?
Use of troops to enforce busing of students for racial integration?
Institutional suppression of scientific investigation and information regarding racial differences such as promote the necessity for AA/RD toward achieving, rather, a radical egalitarian regime to be imposed only upon those not of the means to escape to elite enclaves?
Or the resultant homogenization and atomization of society, simulating the desideratum of an alien elite seeking to secure itself against nativist resistance?
This is certainly not “liberal” in the classic sense of political, rather than socio-economic and racial/sexual equality, as you maintain was its origin. But you have it that the classic became the modern out of an internal evolutionary logic that has yet to be explained as logical and other than the product of promotion by illiberal parties.
The question, then, is why should have the spirit of freedom, paramount in the political egalitarianism of classical liberalism, have devolved into the quest for uniformity. It is because classic libertarian liberalism has “internal contradictions,” the consequences of which are societally unendurable, leading thus to government regulation of commerce, i.e., bureaucratic socialism. And Communist Jewry explicitly adopted the tactic of passing as “Socialist” for the sake of forwarding their crypto-anarchist, quasi-messianic Communist agenda, world-wide. And they have subverted the Western world under that cloak and on that otherwise-legitimate pretext, which is resisted by those who fail to distinguish meliorist bureaucratic surgical socialism from Communist police-statist terrorism and butchery and who then are vulnerable to the exploitation of the errors of their own ideological position. Thus have the masters of the present dispensation long played off the two erroneous ideological positions and representative parties (egalitarian utopian socialism/Democrats vs. laissez-faire free-enterprise capitalism/Republicans), to the advantage of their own crypto-anarchist Communist agenda, misunderstood and mis-labeled first as "socialism" or "welfarism" or "affirmative action" and now more agreeably as “liberal democracy" - predictably with none of these agendas realized in terms of the justice and fairness inclusive of all parties that was thought to be their charge. The recent capture of the Republican Party by Kosher-con elements has interrupted and climaxed this victorious campaign of duplicity and corruption by placing Republican-cloaked Judeo-fascism on a popular basis to complement the century-long Judeo-Communism behind the Democratic Party.
Jews aren’t the problem. The problem is ideological. And the ideology has infected American Jews and Gentiles alike, though in different proportions. And that ideology is liberal democracy.
And is one of the tenets of “liberal democracy” the Reverse Discrimination policy?
Use of troops to enforce busing of students for racial integration?
Institutional suppression of scientific investigation and information regarding racial differences such as promote the necessity for AA/RD toward achieving, rather, a radical egalitarian regime to be imposed only upon those not of the means to escape to elite enclaves?
Or the resultant homogenization and atomization of society, simulating the desideratum of an alien elite seeking to secure itself against nativist resistance?
This is certainly not “liberal” in the classic sense of political, rather than socio-economic and racial/sexual equality, as you maintain was its origin. But you have it that the classic became the modern out of an internal evolutionary logic that has yet to be explained as logical and other than the product of promotion by illiberal parties.
The question, then, is why should have the spirit of freedom, paramount in the political egalitarianism of classical liberalism, have devolved into the quest for uniformity. It is because classic libertarian liberalism has “internal contradictions,” the consequences of which are societally unendurable, leading thus to government regulation of commerce, i.e., bureaucratic socialism. And Communist Jewry explicitly adopted the tactic of passing as “Socialist” for the sake of forwarding their crypto-anarchist, quasi-messianic Communist agenda, world-wide. And they have subverted the Western world under that cloak and on that otherwise-legitimate pretext, which is resisted by those who fail to distinguish meliorist bureaucratic surgical socialism from Communist police-statist terrorism and butchery and who then are vulnerable to the exploitation of the errors of their own ideological position. Thus have the masters of the present dispensation long played off the two erroneous ideological positions and representative parties (egalitarian utopian socialism/Democrats vs. laissez-faire free-enterprise capitalism/Republicans), to the advantage of their own crypto-anarchist Communist agenda, misunderstood and mis-labeled first as "socialism" or "welfarism" or "affirmative action" and now more agreeably as “liberal democracy" - predictably with none of these agendas realized in terms of the justice and fairness inclusive of all parties that was thought to be their charge. The recent capture of the Republican Party by Kosher-con elements has interrupted and climaxed this victorious campaign of duplicity and corruption by placing Republican-cloaked Judeo-fascism on a popular basis to complement the century-long Judeo-Communism behind the Democratic Party.
WIKI HANDS OFF TO JUNGHANS
WE are following them like imprinted ducklings. And why? Because they’ve actually become our elite. They’re not uniquely evil. They’re not particularly special. They’re a managerial elite. If they hadn’t stumbled onto the biggest wide open opportunity in human history, we would be under the thrall of some other alien managerial elite.
The aristocrats became decadent without their wars. The Catholic priests lost their faith. The Freemasons entertained universalist ideals that left them open to infiltration and subversion. The Protestant “leadership” are totally at the mercy of the congregation which is totally at the mercy of the choke-point institutions. It’s important to be Jew-wise, to vividly and directly reject their self-appointed role in our society. But the only actual solution, the only path which will yield any fruit for our people, is to raise up an indigenous elite and then direct our loyalty toward it. (Wiki)
Our people are mal-indoctrinated and drowning in universalist fantasies. The Anglo world needs a racial/ideological revolution in thought, in the worst way, yet only seems to ever come up with more self-defeating delusions and shadow boxing. We need a racial-political revolution, and instead beget ‘tea parties’ and feel good flag-waving. What kind of make-believe fool’s paradise do these people inhabit? When simple street-Negroes exhibit racial moxie in spades, and even know about the Protocols, what’s to be said about the enslaved mindset of our deracinated people? How can our people be so cluster-fornicated stupid??
The answer, I believe, lies in the fact that the world’s Anglos have been ideologically Judaized for centuries, and most of them are essentially clueless about it. Many are even pugnaciously “proud” about their willful ignorance of most vital interests. Our people’s philosophical, spiritual, and political immaturity is astounding; huge segments of the White Anglo population think and act like juveniles in adult bodies. Our people's mindset and behavior is nauseating, to say nothing of being flat-out cowardly.
Something needs to be done, and in a hell of a hurry. Most of the posters at this blog are the most savvy, race-wise and literate Whites that I am aware of, and I salute you all. Most posters here seem to be very able to separate the real McCoy from the decoy, in a Jew-Yawk minute. Yes, Wiki, we need to build that indigenous, elite, White vanguard, and support it loyally and faithfully. We need to be the organized will of the people. (Junghans)
The aristocrats became decadent without their wars. The Catholic priests lost their faith. The Freemasons entertained universalist ideals that left them open to infiltration and subversion. The Protestant “leadership” are totally at the mercy of the congregation which is totally at the mercy of the choke-point institutions. It’s important to be Jew-wise, to vividly and directly reject their self-appointed role in our society. But the only actual solution, the only path which will yield any fruit for our people, is to raise up an indigenous elite and then direct our loyalty toward it. (Wiki)
Our people are mal-indoctrinated and drowning in universalist fantasies. The Anglo world needs a racial/ideological revolution in thought, in the worst way, yet only seems to ever come up with more self-defeating delusions and shadow boxing. We need a racial-political revolution, and instead beget ‘tea parties’ and feel good flag-waving. What kind of make-believe fool’s paradise do these people inhabit? When simple street-Negroes exhibit racial moxie in spades, and even know about the Protocols, what’s to be said about the enslaved mindset of our deracinated people? How can our people be so cluster-fornicated stupid??
The answer, I believe, lies in the fact that the world’s Anglos have been ideologically Judaized for centuries, and most of them are essentially clueless about it. Many are even pugnaciously “proud” about their willful ignorance of most vital interests. Our people’s philosophical, spiritual, and political immaturity is astounding; huge segments of the White Anglo population think and act like juveniles in adult bodies. Our people's mindset and behavior is nauseating, to say nothing of being flat-out cowardly.
Something needs to be done, and in a hell of a hurry. Most of the posters at this blog are the most savvy, race-wise and literate Whites that I am aware of, and I salute you all. Most posters here seem to be very able to separate the real McCoy from the decoy, in a Jew-Yawk minute. Yes, Wiki, we need to build that indigenous, elite, White vanguard, and support it loyally and faithfully. We need to be the organized will of the people. (Junghans)
MORE CONVERSATIONS RE NIETZSCHE
SARTRE:
Maybe you should reflect back upon your roots, and admit that the Superman myth has been a miserable substitute for sound moral behavior. The line that separates the animal from the human is MORALITY. If you deny that axiom, the corruption within your nature will condemn those who seek a virtuous struggle. Neitzche’s way has been tried. and it came up wanting.
NN:
1) The man that Zarathustra wants is a man of *master* morality, the code of all durably civilized existence. The "sound moral behavior" which you tout has been anything but.
2) Animals have their own "morality" which well suits them. You are a mere bigot in this regard.
3) I adhere to the "customs of war" among those of culture held in common. Otherwise, a "virtuous struggle" is for females resisting rape.
4) Nietzsche's way is that of healthy human civilization before the pathogenic emergence of Judaism and its heresies.
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NN:
The Abyss:
1) God is Dead
2) Justice is transient
3) Utopia is a graveyard
4) The world of men is governed by lies and violence
5) It is left to men of violence to create and maintain order in the midst of this truth
SKEMPER:
How can such a creature as man who is governed by lies and violence created from within himself create and maintain order and maintain truth. In your world truth at the most is relative, so how does one know truth.
NN:
The man of violence as a victorious warrior and soldier is inclined to the eventual ordered exploitation of that which he conquers, should he choose to maintain an occupation. He does not have to *lie* about his world in the sense of *inverting* its reality, as do those he has conquered and made powerless otherwise, for he can see the world for what it is with certain *enhancements*, since it basically suits him by virtue of his victory. *This* has been the genesis and course of all human high culture and civilization of which we have knowledge prior to the Jewish intrusion. In "my world" truth is not relative - values are relative. My "good-and-bad" is that of master morality, not the "good-and-evil" of slavish morality.
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LANE:
I have been reading your posts and pondering on them.
I almost feel that I should offer you an apology. To say something like
this:
"I'm sorry I haven't been a ravaging beast today.
I'm sorry that I have not plundered any cities or raped any women.
I'm sorry that I haven't been a Viking and slaughtered and enslaved any of my own people.
I had my puppy on my lap and to be frank, I kinda love the little fella. Sorry for engaging in weak emotions!
I'll try and do better (or worse) tomorrow! I'll try and be more of beast."
NN:
Make sure you do, punk!
Any more slacking off on the beastliness and the puppy gets one in the back of the neck, see!
Maybe you should reflect back upon your roots, and admit that the Superman myth has been a miserable substitute for sound moral behavior. The line that separates the animal from the human is MORALITY. If you deny that axiom, the corruption within your nature will condemn those who seek a virtuous struggle. Neitzche’s way has been tried. and it came up wanting.
NN:
1) The man that Zarathustra wants is a man of *master* morality, the code of all durably civilized existence. The "sound moral behavior" which you tout has been anything but.
2) Animals have their own "morality" which well suits them. You are a mere bigot in this regard.
3) I adhere to the "customs of war" among those of culture held in common. Otherwise, a "virtuous struggle" is for females resisting rape.
4) Nietzsche's way is that of healthy human civilization before the pathogenic emergence of Judaism and its heresies.
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NN:
The Abyss:
1) God is Dead
2) Justice is transient
3) Utopia is a graveyard
4) The world of men is governed by lies and violence
5) It is left to men of violence to create and maintain order in the midst of this truth
SKEMPER:
How can such a creature as man who is governed by lies and violence created from within himself create and maintain order and maintain truth. In your world truth at the most is relative, so how does one know truth.
NN:
The man of violence as a victorious warrior and soldier is inclined to the eventual ordered exploitation of that which he conquers, should he choose to maintain an occupation. He does not have to *lie* about his world in the sense of *inverting* its reality, as do those he has conquered and made powerless otherwise, for he can see the world for what it is with certain *enhancements*, since it basically suits him by virtue of his victory. *This* has been the genesis and course of all human high culture and civilization of which we have knowledge prior to the Jewish intrusion. In "my world" truth is not relative - values are relative. My "good-and-bad" is that of master morality, not the "good-and-evil" of slavish morality.
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LANE:
I have been reading your posts and pondering on them.
I almost feel that I should offer you an apology. To say something like
this:
"I'm sorry I haven't been a ravaging beast today.
I'm sorry that I have not plundered any cities or raped any women.
I'm sorry that I haven't been a Viking and slaughtered and enslaved any of my own people.
I had my puppy on my lap and to be frank, I kinda love the little fella. Sorry for engaging in weak emotions!
I'll try and do better (or worse) tomorrow! I'll try and be more of beast."
NN:
Make sure you do, punk!
Any more slacking off on the beastliness and the puppy gets one in the back of the neck, see!
WIKI RUNS WITH THE BALL
Arabs aren’t especially good at fighting, even relying on kidnapped White children (Janissaries) to augment their military prowess. I assert that Whites, more than any other population, excel at leadership and military pursuits. The problem for us, in a nutshell, is that Jews, Mandarins, and Brahmins are superior at management, having been both genetically and culturally adapted over millennia to excel at managing grain surpluses, trade networks, and the logistical issues therein.
We’re more innovative and imaginative, but lack the patience and attentiveness of the existing managerial castes. Relative to them, we as a people suffer from attention-deficit disorder and this vulnerability is exploited time and again. Jews who excelled at reading Talmudic discourse and patiently applying usury need to merely make things too boring and byzantine for the gentile and he hands over his civilization without a fight.
We’re more innovative and imaginative, but lack the patience and attentiveness of the existing managerial castes. Relative to them, we as a people suffer from attention-deficit disorder and this vulnerability is exploited time and again. Jews who excelled at reading Talmudic discourse and patiently applying usury need to merely make things too boring and byzantine for the gentile and he hands over his civilization without a fight.
EPATER LES BOURGEOIS
Moreover, this idea [no god, no purpose] is a poisonous one. It robs us of the will to take action. It leads us on a path to despair and apathy. It’s destructive and cheapens our life. It’s a dud. ("Andrew" @ OD)
I have a sense that this is a bourgeois difficulty.
Lower-class males have no problem forming gangs, arming themselves, and pursuing various aggressive activities that replicate the pre-historic behavior of mankind in small kinship groups.
Whatever superstitions arose/arise in these prehistoric minds were/are epiphenomenal, in that the motivation to exploit one’s environment was/is not dependent upon philosophical notions.
As it was then, so it is today - kill something to eat and fuck something so you can go to sleep. No need to worry about “the will to take action”.
Nietzsche had something constructive to say on the point:
[BGE] 257. EVERY elevation of the type “man,” has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society and so it will always be–a society believing in a long scale of gradations of rank and differences of worth among human beings, and requiring slavery in some form or other. Without the PATHOS OF DISTANCE, such as grows out of the incarnated difference of classes, out of the constant out-looking and down-looking of the ruling caste on subordinates and instruments, and out of their equally constant practice of obeying and commanding, of keeping down and keeping at a distance–that other more mysterious pathos could never have arisen, the longing for an ever new widening of distance within the soul itself, the formation of ever higher, rarer, further, more extended, more comprehensive states, in short, just the elevation of the type “man,” the continued “self-surmounting of man,” to use a moral formula in a supermoral sense. To be sure, one must not resign oneself to any humanitarian illusions about the history of the origin of an aristocratic society (that is to say, of the preliminary condition for the elevation of the type “man”): the truth is hard. Let us acknowledge unprejudicedly how every higher civilization hitherto has ORIGINATED! Men with a still natural nature, barbarians in every terrible sense of the word, men of prey, still in possession of unbroken strength of will and desire for power, threw themselves upon weaker, more moral, more peaceful races (perhaps trading or cattle-rearing communities), or upon old mellow civilizations in which the final vital force was flickering out in brilliant fireworks of wit and depravity. At the commencement, the noble caste was always the barbarian caste: their superiority did not consist first of all in their physical, but in their psychical power–they were more COMPLETE men (which at every point also implies the same as “more complete beasts”).
[And Kasimir Petrenko seconds the notion:]
“I have a sense that this is a bourgeois problem.” - NN
It is. The ‘man of conscience’ has replaced the ‘man of instinct’ and our vitality is now far below what it once was. With that we find ourselves in the present predicament. Forced to search for some ‘moral justification’ for our own survival, where our distant ancestors knew what to do without asking any question.
I have a sense that this is a bourgeois difficulty.
Lower-class males have no problem forming gangs, arming themselves, and pursuing various aggressive activities that replicate the pre-historic behavior of mankind in small kinship groups.
Whatever superstitions arose/arise in these prehistoric minds were/are epiphenomenal, in that the motivation to exploit one’s environment was/is not dependent upon philosophical notions.
As it was then, so it is today - kill something to eat and fuck something so you can go to sleep. No need to worry about “the will to take action”.
Nietzsche had something constructive to say on the point:
[BGE] 257. EVERY elevation of the type “man,” has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society and so it will always be–a society believing in a long scale of gradations of rank and differences of worth among human beings, and requiring slavery in some form or other. Without the PATHOS OF DISTANCE, such as grows out of the incarnated difference of classes, out of the constant out-looking and down-looking of the ruling caste on subordinates and instruments, and out of their equally constant practice of obeying and commanding, of keeping down and keeping at a distance–that other more mysterious pathos could never have arisen, the longing for an ever new widening of distance within the soul itself, the formation of ever higher, rarer, further, more extended, more comprehensive states, in short, just the elevation of the type “man,” the continued “self-surmounting of man,” to use a moral formula in a supermoral sense. To be sure, one must not resign oneself to any humanitarian illusions about the history of the origin of an aristocratic society (that is to say, of the preliminary condition for the elevation of the type “man”): the truth is hard. Let us acknowledge unprejudicedly how every higher civilization hitherto has ORIGINATED! Men with a still natural nature, barbarians in every terrible sense of the word, men of prey, still in possession of unbroken strength of will and desire for power, threw themselves upon weaker, more moral, more peaceful races (perhaps trading or cattle-rearing communities), or upon old mellow civilizations in which the final vital force was flickering out in brilliant fireworks of wit and depravity. At the commencement, the noble caste was always the barbarian caste: their superiority did not consist first of all in their physical, but in their psychical power–they were more COMPLETE men (which at every point also implies the same as “more complete beasts”).
[And Kasimir Petrenko seconds the notion:]
“I have a sense that this is a bourgeois problem.” - NN
It is. The ‘man of conscience’ has replaced the ‘man of instinct’ and our vitality is now far below what it once was. With that we find ourselves in the present predicament. Forced to search for some ‘moral justification’ for our own survival, where our distant ancestors knew what to do without asking any question.
LIBERTARIANISM IN THE DOCKET
The exchange with this liberetardian [Eric Dondero] shows just how worthless and hypocritical that ideology is. According to most libertarians, the ties that bind humanity are a desire for the free flow of goods, services, cheap trinkets, and even people across national borders. No great nation of civilization was every built on these principles and outside of the Western world you could probably count the number of adherents to libertarianism with both hands.
Libertarianism is anti-nation state and anti-race. Libtards often scoff at social Darwinism yet embrace it as it applies to the cutthroat marketplace. Ludwig Von Mises and Murray Rothbard are its two Jewish godfathers and if I had to guess libertarianism was probably devised as just another ideology which to distract and divide non-Jews. ("Mr. Dithers" @ OD)
I [NN] second the balance of your remarks, speaking to the issue of the origins of “terrorism”. But I believe that a mistaken imputation of motive is involved in the origins of Libertarianism/Objectivism/Austrian School Economics, as you would have it. These philosophical orientations rather appeal to those who feel themselves both cosmopolitan (Jew and North American Gentile alike) and inclined to the rational, science-inspired analysis of societal ethics and policy.
The classic gentile experience on this continent has been that of the perpetual elastic frontier in land and in evolving technology that have made laissez-faire/free-enterprise politico-economic policy a historically distinctive success in this singular demographic/geographic context. We North American gentiles remain, in part, the cultural heirs of that colonial success, abstractly formulated now as philosophical libertarianism - a worldview that idealistically encapsulates one’s personal absorption of the ethics and responsibilities of middle-class life, however removed from the unadvertised realities of the non-libertarian Realpolitik of the world above that class.
Deracinated from birth as we are, and taught, implicitly, the superior social status and employability of a culturally neutral persona, we naturally join the Jew in a cosmopolitan perspective, where we are not natively visceral racists (bigots) and have to reason ourselves out our youthful idealism and into a realistic confrontation with racial and class realities. There is thus no “hypocrisy” (though there are fundamental intellectual faults) in the majority experience of, and passage through, the various schools of individualist philosophy. So I caution against the misapprehension of the motives of opponents and potential converts.
Libertarianism is anti-nation state and anti-race. Libtards often scoff at social Darwinism yet embrace it as it applies to the cutthroat marketplace. Ludwig Von Mises and Murray Rothbard are its two Jewish godfathers and if I had to guess libertarianism was probably devised as just another ideology which to distract and divide non-Jews. ("Mr. Dithers" @ OD)
I [NN] second the balance of your remarks, speaking to the issue of the origins of “terrorism”. But I believe that a mistaken imputation of motive is involved in the origins of Libertarianism/Objectivism/Austrian School Economics, as you would have it. These philosophical orientations rather appeal to those who feel themselves both cosmopolitan (Jew and North American Gentile alike) and inclined to the rational, science-inspired analysis of societal ethics and policy.
The classic gentile experience on this continent has been that of the perpetual elastic frontier in land and in evolving technology that have made laissez-faire/free-enterprise politico-economic policy a historically distinctive success in this singular demographic/geographic context. We North American gentiles remain, in part, the cultural heirs of that colonial success, abstractly formulated now as philosophical libertarianism - a worldview that idealistically encapsulates one’s personal absorption of the ethics and responsibilities of middle-class life, however removed from the unadvertised realities of the non-libertarian Realpolitik of the world above that class.
Deracinated from birth as we are, and taught, implicitly, the superior social status and employability of a culturally neutral persona, we naturally join the Jew in a cosmopolitan perspective, where we are not natively visceral racists (bigots) and have to reason ourselves out our youthful idealism and into a realistic confrontation with racial and class realities. There is thus no “hypocrisy” (though there are fundamental intellectual faults) in the majority experience of, and passage through, the various schools of individualist philosophy. So I caution against the misapprehension of the motives of opponents and potential converts.
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